P.A.B.S (Pet anti breeding system)

[Bet]

Hi all,
I was wondering if any of you guys or gals have seen or own one of the P.A.B systems. I found it online after searching exensively for a doggy chastity belt lol in readiness for Maisy's first season. I've sent an email to ask if they ship internationally and if so what would the total cost be.
I've seen the pants that are available over here but think they would be too easily removed by her or Zeus
All the info can be found here......including a video on how to fit the system

Manage Dog Reproduction: Chastity Belt For Dogs by PABS Pet Anti Breeding System

p.s I did a search before posting and couldn't find any info, so apologies if anyone else has already covered this topic.

[Mazz]

When a bitch is in season, I personally think, she should be able to keep herself clean with fresh air around her 'tush'
First you would get a smell if she couldn't do this.
The ONLY safe way with a bitch in season and a entire dog is to keep them apart. JMO.
Mazz

[Bet]

Thanks for the reply...to elaborate it was more for a safety measure for now and again though her season rather than throughout. I will have to add a few more locks to the internal doors as they both get stressed when they are separated in different rooms now, even if its just for a few minutes. Maisy cries and yelps for Zeus which sends him into search and rescue mode, after letting himself out of the living room or kitchen he goes straight to where she is and releases her.

[Bet]

Can't seem to edit argghh.
by now and again I mean.... if she happens to come into season while we are away in the caravan or at moto-x where there will be no possibilty of keeping her and Zeus seperate and to keep any roaming marauders at bay. On the racing day marshalls are strict about keeping all dogs on leads but are less so the night before during the overnight camp.

[kita]

Originally Posted by Mazz

The ONLY safe way with a bitch in season and a entire dog is to keep them apart. JMO.
Mazz

I agree.

Some dogs are worse than others, some can be kept apart quite happily and yet other dogs will do anything to get to a bitch in season.

Could you put one or other in boarding kennels if you really cannot keep them separate? It would be better than her having a litter on her first season.

I wouldn't rely on anything like a chastity belt to be honest - I don't think it would be fair to either dog - the male will still try and mate with her and she will still 'stand' for him.

Sue

[kita]

Originally Posted by Bet

if she happens to come into season while we are away in the caravan or at moto-x where there will be no possibilty of keeping her and Zeus seperate and to keep any roaming marauders at bay.

Sorry, but there is no way I would have an entire dog and a bitch in season in a caravan - I would not be too bothered about other dogs, but having your own two together in a caravan will be impossible.

Probably the only way would be to have them both in cages, but I would really not consider it, the noise alone would be unbearable.

Sue

[Bet]

I mean.... if she happens to come into season while we are away in the caravan

I can assure you that I have no intention of taking them away together if she is already in season, I may be a little bonkers but i'm not that mad or irresponsible lol

I've been reading up on telltale signs for when a bitch is going in to season and know how long the whole cycle lasts and stages etc but cant seem to find any info on how long it takes for the vulva and nipple area to swell are we talking a gradual change or something a little quicker and more noticable.

We've always had dogs apart from a rescue bitch that was spayed so forgive all the questions. The dogs go everywhere with us and i'm trying to prepare in advance for all eventualities. It wouldn't be a problem for me to stay at home with Maisy once her season starts but if we're already away and it comes out of the blue then I need measures in place to protect her till we get home.

I would prefer to keep them both at home but if causes them too much stress/anxiety then kennels are an option although it would be a last resort, other dogs that we've had have pined and lost a little condition when they've been boarded before so on that score I feel I can't win.

I have a large crate that we could take away incase of emergencies and just thought the p.a.b.s would be a good idea to have as a back up
She's only a baby at the moment so i have plenty of time to plan ahead and will keep a close eye on her as she grows so that I notice any changes.

Its something i've already been careful to do with Zeus with him having such a long coat...he'll happily lie and let me groom/examine him to my hearts content and hope Maisy will be the same.

[kita]

Originally Posted by Bet

I've been reading up on telltale signs for when a bitch is going in to season and know how long the whole cycle lasts and stages etc but cant seem to find any info on how long it takes for the vulva and nipple area to swell are we talking a gradual change or something a little quicker and more noticable.

Thing is, dogs don't read books! They certainly don't follow them to the day. They are all different as well. My Belgian came into season for the first time around 6 months of age and came into season every 6 months (give or take a week or two). I only really knew she was in season when she started to 'stand' for my other two (spayed) bitches Some don't have their first season for a year, some breeds only have one season a year.

Some bitches show very little signs of being in season and some 'first' seasons are very light anyway. My entire dog showed very little response to any bitches that he met when they were having their first season (he went mad over the more 'mature' bitches when they were in season!), but I would not bank on your boy not showing interest.

Usually it is a pretty gradual change, and they will not 'stand' for a dog until the later stage of the season, I suppose its something you just have to watch out for.

It is unlikely that she will be ready to mate overnight, especially if she has shown no signs of being in season before (but very little is 100% certain where animals are concerned).

The same applies to entire dogs - they are all different in their reactions to bitches in season. Some are an absolute nightmare to live with, my boy used to howl and fret when there was a bitch in season nearby, he would go off his food totally for days/weeks at a time, he would get aggressive with other male dogs and also with me (once) when I would not take him out! Some dogs will run off after the scent and totally ignore their owners, I have even seen trained/working police dogs ignore their handlers and refuse to work (one kept trying to 'mount' his male handler!). Then other dogs hardly seem to notice!

Sue

Originally Posted by kita

Thing is, dogs don't read books! They certainly don't follow them to the day. They are all different as well. My Belgian came into season for the first time around 6 months of age and came into season every 6 months (give or take a week or two). I only really knew she was in season when she started to 'stand' for my other two (spayed) bitches Some don't have their first season for a year, some breeds only have one season a year.

Some bitches show very little signs of being in season and some 'first' seasons are very light anyway. My entire dog showed very little response to any bitches that he met when they were having their first season (he went mad over the more 'mature' bitches when they were in season!), but I would not bank on your boy not showing interest.

Usually it is a pretty gradual change, and they will not 'stand' for a dog until the later stage of the season, I suppose its something you just have to watch out for.

It is unlikely that she will be ready to mate overnight, especially if she has shown no signs of being in season before (but very little is 100% certain where animals are concerned).

The same applies to entire dogs - they are all different in their reactions to bitches in season. Some are an absolute nightmare to live with, my boy used to howl and fret when there was a bitch in season nearby, he would go off his food totally for days/weeks at a time, he would get aggressive with other male dogs and also with me (once) when I would not take him out! Some dogs will run off after the scent and totally ignore their owners, I have even seen trained/working police dogs ignore their handlers and refuse to work (one kept trying to 'mount' his male handler!). Then other dogs hardly seem to notice!

Sue

Very Interesting Sue! I often wondered if the police dogs ever got side tracked by a female in season! Always thought they ignored everything when at work! Poor police Handler

Catriona xx

[kita]

Originally Posted by CATRIONAGSDLOVER

Very Interesting Sue! I often wondered if the police dogs ever got side tracked by a female in season! Always thought they ignored everything when at work! Poor police Handler

Catriona xx

Yes it was quite funny, he was trying to track a thief over local dockland, I had been walking my entire male over there and I knew that someone had been over with an in season bitch (at the end of her season so it was really ripe). I had been having a few tussles with my boy trying to jump on me (he was the size of a Great Dane). Anyhow this policeman had been round trying to follow the scent of the thief and he did not look too happy as he was putting his dog back in the van, so I thought I should mention it to him in case his dog had been playing him up. When I told him he looked really relieved and said "thanks for telling me, I was wondering why he kept trying to grab me round the leg!"

So even Police dogs are not immune to sex!

Mind you I wouldn't put it past the local thieves round here to deliberately walk an in season bitch when they are breaking in places.

One good reason for the Police to use bitches - they are much more sensible!!

Sue