What should the KC do about cr** breeders

[wildmoor]

As we have some new members who cant access all parts of the forum I am putting this here for everyone to see

Does the KC have guts and conviction? No

It is a private members club as well as a registration body lets see what others think they should do if they had a decent KC Chairman

I believe they should refuse registration of dogs with non standard colours that are purposely bred for this, if a blue or liver crops up in a litter it should have limited registration so progeny can not be registered
Any dog or bitch should have a minimum of 5 generations of low scoing ancestors either under BM average or A stamp normal or fast normal - to be classed as breed worthy and allow registration of progeny - anything with less should not be allowed to register progeny
Any dog or bitch should have max elbow score of 1 preferably 0 to allow registration of progeny
All available health tests that are available in Europe should become mandatory here if the dogs are to be used in breeding programmes - this could be phased in over a couple of years the acceptions to be progeny born from clear parents as they would be clear - tests such as PD, AF, DM, MDR1 etc
Ban importation of non standards colours for breeding programmes
Ban breeders from registering dogs when they are breeding from known epileptic producers
The Breed clubs should get involved with one of the major Unis to swab all GSDs to develop a genetic test for epilepsy, vets could do this routinely when they go in for yearly vacs

[Stuart]

Ohhh. you would have to be hard on yourself to impliment all those rules/restrictions,... but for the sake of the breed I would do my best to do just that.

I know that there are many other colours out there that are just lovely, but many of thos colours are not standard GSD colours,.. and as we know there are many more colours gaining popularity, i.e. harlequins.

There has to come a time, when someone has to deem what is a GS,..and the only true GDS are the original type,..and so that has to be the answer,...go back to basics

I know little about scores, but I am a good enough gsd owner to want the best for the breed,..so I would go with the more experienced person on this

[Vislor]

Originally Posted by wildmoor

As we have some new members who cant access all parts of the forum I am putting this here for everyone to see

Does the KC have guts and conviction? No

It is a private members club as well as a registration body lets see what others think they should do if they had a decent KC Chairman

I believe they should refuse registration of dogs with non standard colours that are purposely bred for this, if a blue or liver crops up in a litter it should have limited registration so progeny can not be registered
Any dog or bitch should have a minimum of 5 generations of low scoing ancestors either under BM average or A stamp normal or fast normal - to be classed as breed worthy and allow registration of progeny - anything with less should not be allowed to register progeny
Any dog or bitch should have max elbow score of 1 preferably 0 to allow registration of progeny
All available health tests that are available in Europe should become mandatory here if the dogs are to be used in breeding programmes - this could be phased in over a couple of years the acceptions to be progeny born from clear parents as they would be clear - tests such as PD, AF, DM, MDR1 etc
Ban importation of non standards colours for breeding programmes
Ban breeders from registering dogs when they are breeding from known epileptic producers
The Breed clubs should get involved with one of the major Unis to swab all GSDs to develop a genetic test for epilepsy, vets could do this routinely when they go in for yearly vacs

Yes, yes, yes to all of that but I'd go even further and demand that any working qualifications achieved by the parents should be shown and recognised by the KC on the pedigrees

It would be good if the GSDL could start doing their own European style GSD specific pedigrees but the logistics of it would be enormous and the initial demand would probably be quite low.

There'd still be that entrenched attitude of a prospective average owner who's never heard of the GSDL wanting to know if pups are 'KC registered'. Tis a dilema...

[wildmoor]

Yes Ash I agree
I know many years ago I used to do the pedigrees for a friend and printed the European qualifications on all the peds

[Caryll]

I agree with everything said, can't add anything more other than the KC would never be brave enough to do it!

[sami]

I agree Pam the KC is just a convenient advertising centre, a sales pitch. They are more interested in fees for registration than doing anything to promote good breeding.

Especially now I know what I do about the breeding of my dogs which I fully admit with my first I just saw a cute puppy and knew nothing about the risks, he died at 8 years old and had a "wonderful" KC pedigree even as a white.

[kita]

The thing is that even if the KC did all this and refused to register some GSD's there would still be a market for the pups out there.

Most of the general public don't even know what a KC certificate looks like, let alone knowing about any health checks.

Plus after 'that' programme many people deliberately avoid buying KC registered pups in the belief that non registered dogs are healthier.

I have lost count of the amount of times I have heard/read 'I will never buy a KC registered dog again, as I don't want to give my money to support the KC' - so they go out and buy an unregistered dog.

Sadly there will always be people who buy a white/blue/long coat because it is 'rare' or 'different', so the market will always be there, to most of them it is irrelevant whether or not the pup is registered.

Maybe it would work if people were only allowed to sell pups from KC registered dogs by law. If we made it illegal to sell pups from non registered dogs then maybe the KC could implement rules like this successfully.

Sue

[DelsMum]

I'd like to enforce a license for breeders encorporating all of the below but there would be no way of enforcing it that I can think of :-(

[Vislor]

Not much chance of any of that happening. Problem is they have a monopoly. If they had competition from a better quality pedigree service and it became popular, that would be the most powerful incentive to change.

The GSDL is the best bet but they're a long way off because of the cost

[sami]

Originally Posted by DelsMum

I'd like to enforce a license for breeders encorporating all of the below but there would be no way of enforcing it that I can think of :-(

I agree Faye.