Straight or slooping

[super D]

Neither of mine are deemed KC standard haha, Kane is a horse and Dalton has what they call flaws lmao, And i love them dearly
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[Poly]

Oh nor mine Sarah lol

For a start they both Longcoats...one is non standard colour, they are both over sized height wise, one has light eyes....there are probably more faults...

my boy has the most cosmetic 'faults' out the two of them and he is the one with the fab hipscore...fabulous temprement etc...I wouldnt swap him for anything

[super D]

Dalton has pale eyes too, and not the right kind of sable he has like tiger stripes, and long coat as you say.
Kane is too tall, too heavy thinks he is crossed with a race horse haha, His eyes are dark brown tho...Bonus lol
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[joyce]

Originally Posted by marleysmommy

I have always gone for what i have known as the English german shepherds ie table top flat back , no slope or very little slope to the hind legs and a wide short head /muzzle.
I agree with comments made earlier, I do not think the KC are doing their bit for promoting or encouraging good breeding standards. (i dont think thats just in gsd's either!!)
How low to the floor does a dogs back end have to get before its called deformed???

You are correct the KC do nothing to promote health, all they are is a reg department, but at present are at logger heads with the GSD to stop overangulation being promoted in the show ring.

[super D]

Saying that Dalton looks more sloped if he stands funny, i dunno what ya call it, but like when his back legs are more staggered, one further forward kind of and his both front paws level. But stands very regal head up, being a nosy buggar
Hope that makes sense, he stands like that sometimes just because he can
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Originally Posted by joyce

Hi Stuart
This is a very controversial topic, The backs look more sloping on some due to excessive hind angulations, long hocks etc which has nothing to do with hips, extremes in any dog are not desirable.
The KC standard does not encourage extremes at all, they are totally against any extremes in the modern dog.
The modern GSD are some of the healthiest dogs regarding hips etc, but YOU will get exceptions.

This is why the subject is controversial, because in my none expert mind the K.C. ARE encouraging extremes, I listened to a judges comment on a t.v. show a while back who was defending the K.C`s standard,..so if show dogs are to gain favour in the show ring, then they have to follow the k.c.`s standard weither they agree or not,...if the K.C. are against the extreme shape of the show dog, then why not take the standard back to the pre war shape of the 40`s

I bow to your comments on health as I know nothing of that, but I would have thought that any extreme shape that is not natural would put strain on some part of the body,.. after all this is what happened to the Bull dog, and the K.C. are I believe in the process of doing something about that.

Stuart

[wildmoor]

A dog with steep croup does not have anything to do with hips, you will find the majority of high hip scores come from English type whether show type or those that breed for coat colour, they seem to think if a bitch has a good score it doesn't matter what its sire/dams score was and breed regardless.
You also need to bear in mind a dog placed in stance looks totally different when stood naturally. I have had this discussion many times on other forums then some of those arguing against German dogs realise when it was pointed out to them they have one, you then get comments like but he doesnt look like that or his parents didnt look like that. One of my dogs does have an extreme steep croup but as a 0:0 hip score.
Yes there are extremes on both sides, health problems on both side but do not blame a dogs angulation on poor hips it does not work like that.
Until people stop breeding from animals with high scores then the breed mean average for hips will never reduce.
Then there are those that loose sex differentials because they are breeding for 1 trait ie colour/coat and you cant tell whether they are bitches or dogs by looking at their heads. I like a dog to look like a dog and a bitch to have a feminine head.
Regarding hocks how much of this is down to poor exercise management?

Regarding the KC they should stop registering dogs of colours not within the standard sometimes really stupid colours are registered ie apricot and white (they are not poodles) or tri-colour[black/brown & white](they are not border collies)
They should make Health test mandatory ie hips, elbows, haemophilia for males and dwarf testing. No progeny of untested animals should be registered.

[gsdlover4ever]

i'm not a fan of british showline or extreme german showline sheps.
i prefer the working line look of the GSD with a slight dip but nothing extreme.

[wildmoor]

It depends what you term as workline Robyn
someone who does come on here posted on another forum that her bitch is English workline it hasnt got any working bloodlines in its pedigree and is just a mix of various bloodlines.

[super D]

I saw a showline shep a couple of days ago, when i was with Dalton, he looked so different to D, more sloped and also he was a big begger too, His bum was much lower than D's bum.
I have never been near a show shep in real life, so very different.
Are show sheps bigger than some working lines, he was more like Kane's size maybe a little shorter to the withers
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