Straight or slooping - Page 9

PuppyLove · #81 27-02-10, 11:12 AM

for me it has to be straight back all day long!!! my reason...... this breed sufferes from hip problems any way so to go pushing down on the back end to make them stand "correct" (slope backed) is just going to create problems and i really dont think its fair to the dog as they are going to be the one in pain not the owner!!!!!!
sorry just my opinion

#82 27-02-10, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PuppyLove

for me it has to be straight back all day long!!! my reason...... this breed sufferes from hip problems any way so to go pushing down on the back end to make them stand "correct" (slope backed) is just going to create problems and i really dont think its fair to the dog as they are going to be the one in pain not the owner!!!!!!
sorry just my opinion

There was a time I would agree with you, but from being at the begining of this thread I have learnt that the angle of the back doesnt have any bearing on any medical problems at all, including the hips.

So now I just dont prefer the dogs with the steeper slopes, prefering a more level back, for visual reasons only

Stuart

wildmoor · #83 27-02-10, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PuppyLove

for me it has to be straight back all day long!!! my reason...... this breed sufferes from hip problems any way so to go pushing down on the back end to make them stand "correct" (slope backed) is just going to create problems and i really dont think its fair to the dog as they are going to be the one in pain not the owner!!!!!!
sorry just my opinion

You obviously have not read the thread from the beginning, I also suggest you read the Breed Standard it does not call for a straight back the wither is higher the croup lower than the top line!

As I have already stated the steepness of Croup does not affect hips, neither does it affect the spine, you will find the majority of GSDs with HD are from so called obedience lines and those that breed for colour, ie for the pet market

PuppyLove · #84 27-02-10, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wildmoor

You obviously have not read the thread from the beginning, I also suggest you read the Breed Standard it does not call for a straight back the wither is higher the croup lower than the top line!

As I have already stated the steepness of Croup does not affect hips, neither does it affect the spine, you will find the majority of GSDs with HD are from so called obedience lines and those that breed for colour, ie for the pet market

AS I SAID JUST MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!
i have been reading the thread and i still dont agree because these people are pushing the dogs down on the back end from a very young age and to me that cant be good for them!!!

joyce · #85 27-02-10, 02:27 PM

Came across these photos from the Sieger all of the same dog, Quality not good on two as they are video shots

You can see the diff where the croup and the hindangles change the shape of the dogs back when posed, the more natural shape is on the move

joyce · #86 27-02-10, 02:30 PM

A female with overangulation in hindquaters with gives the back more exaggeration

gsdlover4ever · #87 27-02-10, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joyce

A female with overangulation in hindquaters with gives the back more exaggeration

that type is to extreme for me, however i do like the male above

joyce · #88 27-02-10, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gsdlover4ever

that type is to extreme for me, however i do like the male above

For me too,
The dog on the move shows how photos can be minipulated to make the dog look more extreme than it is, there are problems in the breed with loose hocks and overangulation that does need sorting, give me a poor placed croup any day, but neither of these are anything to do with hips, there are much bigger PROBLEMS with the breeds health to worry about..

wildmoor · #89 27-02-10, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PuppyLove

AS I SAID JUST MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!
i have been reading the thread and i still dont agree because these people are pushing the dogs down on the back end from a very young age and to me that cant be good for them!!!

There is no need to be rude and put in capitals, as stated a GSD should not have a Straight back the Breed standard as changed very little since the 30's most of the changes were prior to that. The back incorporates both the wither and the croup so how can it be straight! when the wither is higher than the topline and the croup slopes, again I will state read the breed standard before shouting.

wildmoor · #90 27-02-10, 06:14 PM

BODY : The upper line runs, without any visible break, from the set-on of the neck over the well defined withers and over the back very slightly sloping to the horizontal line, onto the gradually slanting rump. The back is firm, strong and well muscled. The loin is broad, strongly developed and well muscled. The rump should be long, sloping slightly (about 23° to the horizontal) and, without any break in the topline, merge with the tail set-on.

Where do you see the word 'Straight'?