Rottweilers to take over from GSDs as Police Dogs

[wildmoor]

Another interesting story in the Scottsman, pity they cant get our breeds name correct.
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1236352003

[GSDOWNER]

Pam I only read the first few paragraphs and stopped, I remember reading somewhere, about how the GSD was changing, and someones posted saying go to Germany and its a completely different story

George is a prime example as to how the GSD is becoming too soft, he has not got a vicious streak in him


Pam if you know what forum I have read this in, please feel free to post the link to the discussion, because it needs to be heard

[GypsyGSD]

I have been hearing for a long time now about how soft the english breed of gsd"s have become in the u.k , a lot of my friends now will only go for german breed dogs , or dogs 3/4 german 1/4 english Gypsyx

[wildmoor]

Not sure about if I can post the link but I can copy my replies, basicaly this guy was saying the workline gsd is hard to come (B*ll) and that showline dogs cant work again (B*ll)

this was my reply:
Sorry I will have to disagree, for one a lot of police forces are after cheap or free dogs and often blanket e-mail everyone on sites such as Champ Dogs. Those that have their own breeding programs such as West Mids and Manpol have some great dogs and are willing to pay the market price for good lines. There are also some excellent working line dogs in this country Mayanser is one of them who have Tiekerhook, Heiligenbosch, Pohranicni and other excellent lines in their kennels. West Mids paid out £300 a pup in 1996(going rate at the time for top lines) for 4 dogs sired by Lothar von haus Boombos SchH3/IPO3/FH etc a showline dog who was one of the top European working dogs in his time. Even the extreme Hi Line dogs are not roached back in normal stance and the way these are bred does not contribute to HD, I have an extreme male amongst mine and his hip score is 0:0, it is genetics (esp breeders not scoring or using high scores) enviromental and diet that play a part in the development of HD.

You will also find that the top showline kennels in this country breed with continental dogs not the old English type. I would also like to point out that just because in a show situation that a dog/female dog has trained for that they accept shangers does not mean they are willing to in other situations, again to mention my Hi line I was walking past a police landrover when some youths that the police had pulled other started to become abusive to the officer my dog reacted at the youths needless to say they became quiet. The breed is not a guard dog they were developed from several strains of herding dogs.
Showline dogs are cabable of work, I have had ones with extreme high drives.

He then tried to say GSD in Germany will bit your hand off again (B*ll) this was my response
'Go to Germany and try to 'pet' many dogs on the street with their owners, and you'll not play the piano again. In the UK, the GSD has gone seriously downhill and it's such a shame.. '

I go to Germany every year, and you find a lot of people in the UK do not know the breed well and do not do their research before purchase, there are a lot of BYB in the UK, the £300 a pup I was talking about was 11yrs ago.

the first bit was him.
He runs a working forum but the pup he has is only his 3rd dog and has he wouldn't give details on the first one I presume they weren't working dogs, he asked on his forum for help.

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Give me some good stats and figures and opinions...to blow her theory out of the water...


Whats wrong can you not come up with the answers yourself, and by the way I am not a breeder, but have been around the breed 35yrs both here and Europe and have owned and handled my own dogs for 25+yrs
(again first bit was him but on his forum)
this was my next post to him
I have been thinking about this while cutting the grass, a few facts for you Gary:

Not all police dogs in Germany are GSDs, I have seen Malinois and Bouvier the majority of Police dogs in France and Germany are muzzled.
Greater Manchester Police has paid out £59,000 in compensation to bite victims.

Would you like all our Police dogs to be so defensive they have to be muzzled or more funding being paid to bite victims and less police on the streets?

This was my next reply as you can see he copied and pasted some ones reply to his asking for help on his forum
I see you have just copied Gill 's posts, I bet you didn't like Magrets post, how long have you been involved in GSDs not all workline dogs are capable of working and there are splits and differences in type within the working lines, the West German work lines are much heavier than the ddr dogs you cant generalise about specific lines, plus they have their health problems aswell, I know of at least one mating this year as been banned by the SV and they will not allow a repeat although both dog/female dog can be bred to others.

[GSDOWNER]

The English lines are to soft...........the above post from pam is 100% spot on, and pam thank you for finding it.............knew I had read some debate somewhere , just wish I knew more to join in the debate

[wildmoor]

You will have to excuse spelling mistakes I just copied and pasted from my original replies.

I know this is going a bit off the Rotty subject but seeing as there was chat about English and German line GSD's I thought I would leave this.

Well I personally now have had the experience of 4 GSD puppies 3 of English lines and now Chief who is of German bloodline. The difference between Chief compared to the other 3 is absoloutely astonishing! I had gained an idea from the people I was learning from, including our Pam to expect something different but until you meet it face to face you can only guess what the experience is going to be like.

The breeders felt Chief was one of the quiet ones of his litter. Geeez if he was a quiet one then my other English Line GSD were snails. Compared to the others Chief takes on life as if he has a rocket up his bum compared to the others. So much energy, drive. . . over all just so much more GSD!

To be honest for the first 24-48 hours I had Chief I wondered what the hell I had done. He was so different from what I had previously experienced but yet was the same breed. If ever there was an argument between English and German lines then there it was right in front of me.

Well weeks later I can tell you what I have done and that is I have done the best thing in my life for several years. His driven personality is also driving me on too and making me feel so much better. He is such a joy. Now I am oozing with excitement at the thought of what he will be like when he matures.

[GSDOWNER]

*re posted*

do not think i would ever buy an English line again ever, the amount of research I have done....

[wildmoor]

Just slightly off topic, Police dogs with cameras
http://www.ourdogs.co.uk/News/2007/N...107/police.htm