Best tips for 2 common training needs

DTJazz · #1 29-12-10, 07:52 PM

Jazz is getting bigger and stronger so we need the best tips to solve...
1. Jumping up (have tried turning back on her but she jumps at your back!)
2. Pulling on the lead (have tried the about turn and walk in opposite direction but she is wise to this and walks nicely for the 10 yards or so and then accelerates when we turn round again!)

As she is getting bigger and stronger the need to solve both becomes more important

zetstaff · #2 29-12-10, 08:34 PM

Sorry, didn't get how old your bubba is?

There are LOADS of threads on here about the same thing, have a scout round

xx

Stuart · #3 29-12-10, 08:36 PM

For the pulling try,... `goggleing`,.. GENCON,... I had never seen a designed collar/lead quite like it before a few months ago,..I bought one to try, then purchased two more a week later,..they are very good, and work in a very different way

For the jumping up,..well Sam used to do this, and I used a method that I know is not very popular, but I found that a small plastic bottle with a few small stones in it ...and shook at the dog at the point his front feet leave the ground,..worked very well, and very fast for us

Nash · #4 30-12-10, 01:04 AM

For pulling, I teach a technique called leash pressure. This teaches the dog to keep very low tension on the lead and to move in the direction of the tension if the lead is tight. I never used special devices like the head collar, rather focused on training the proper technique.

Jumping, I can control through obedience commands. For example if my dog thinks that he needs to jump on a person, I can use the "sit" or "platz" command, the dog knows to hold position till released. So my advice would be to practice obedience in increasing distractions till confident that dog will obey in any condition.

Beki · #5 30-12-10, 08:03 AM

Gencon is great!

Jumping up try a correction as soon as u see them going to do it and give a sit command if u can't get in quick enough push them off with a correction, we sometimes stick a knee up so she can't make contact with us (Ellie is a shocker for jumping up when greeting folk!)

Nash · #6 31-12-10, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Beki

Gencon is great!

Jumping up try a correction as soon as u see them going to do it and give a sit command if u can't get in quick enough push them off with a correction,

Wow, giving a correction first and THEN giving a command sets up the dog for losing no matter what. What I mean is that no matter what the dog does he/she can not "beat" the correction therefore learns nothing but to fear the handler. No wonder this method is used again and again and again...... reason being it does not fix the problem.

First the dog should be trained (just the basic sit/down/stand commands), then to proof the training a command is given, if the dog chooses to ignore the command then within 1 second a correction is given. The dog learns very quickly this way and soon the correction is no longer needed because the dog is smart enough to try to beat the correction next time, this is real training. The dog performs the exercise happily as he believes he is winning and has beaten the correction. Here you reward with a jackpot to reinforce the learning.

If a correction is given before the command then the dog learns absolutely nothing as he can not figure out what went wrong?, you repeat it again and again the next time the same behavior occurs and so on. It is not the dog's fault, it is bad training.

gypsyd · #7 05-01-11, 03:08 PM

i have the same problem with my gsd he is great with my husband no problems to report but with me the little or not so little tinker really knows how to play up

I have trouble with him jumping up and biting my left arm - it hurts and have many bruises to show for it but muzzling him just makes life more difficult cos he spends the time wanting to get the muzzle off and doesnt poo which he does if he isnt muzzled.

it is not aggressive biting - it just HURTS so much

i have tried the knee up thing but he is bigger than me lol and so quick even with my knee up if he jumps up he is higher:-( turning round just means he hurts my back doesnt stop him

by correction what sort of correction

i was told not to use any correction spray cans such as pet correctors etc
i was told by a dog behaviourist it should be just me the lead halti and dog nothing else to correct him just me.

I do take the muzzle out with me - but like i say he does walk ok sometimes and i mean sometimes - ie when it snowed he was great now its gone hes a little buggar again - jumping up and biting.

i so so want to walk him further than i am doing I even watched Victoria sitwell the other night - the great dane one that was exactly me and kane to a tee.

#8 05-01-11, 03:32 PM

Jumping up - i use 'sit' if I see my pup about to jump. In general Zee likes to sit right next to my leg, leaning on it looking at me, and I give her an ear tickle. So i think she sits readily because she likes the reward of a fuss.

Gencons - uurrrrgh! Same for haltis - dogs hate them, or at best tolerate them. I hate them... it alters my dogs' behaviour wearing one. Bashing their heads into your legs to pull them off etc. Dog's not happy, I'm not happy. No substitute for teaching your dog to walk on a loose lead. Train this. Simple. Then all you needs is a lead and collar.

I sometimes use harnesses with mine for running and group walks - then any sudden movement has no pressure on the dog's neck or face (unlike gencon, halti). Been some cases of whiplash associated disorder in headcollars. Like anything in the wrong hands, I guess...

jackie · #9 05-01-11, 03:53 PM

I agree with Stuart, a tin of stones works so well. All it is really is a quick way to refocus your dogs attention, no pain, no knees just a quick reminder that what he is doing is not acceptable. Don,t forget to reward him though when he doesn,t jump up.

I use a gentle leader when walking Mishka, she got used to it very quickly and walking is now all under control, no pulling, no lunging, and best still no tearing her neck to shreds trying to control her.

jackie · #10 05-01-11, 04:15 PM

For the pulling try,... `goggleing`,.. GENCON,... I had never seen a designed collar/lead quite like it before a few months ago,..I bought one to try, then purchased two more a week later,..they are very good, and work in a very different way

I have just looked at this head collar and it seems to be better than the gentle leader, as it doesn't ride up onto the eyes like the gentle leader does and you are not pulling the head to the side all the time. I've ordered one to try.